Vepro Box Setup
I've read a lot of threads on VEPro and they are outstanding, helping me get the gist of this setup. Being a network dunce, and this subject being taken for granted I guess by those more knowledgeable than me. I do not know how to set up a static IP so I can get the G5 master to connect to VEPro in the servant Mac (2 x 2.8 Quad-Core Xeon). I am using a single cat5 cable to connect the two computers. No routers, switchers, etc.
Also, should 64 bit or 32 bit be run in the servant. I think 64 since I have Omni and Trilian installed (to access 18GB RAM) but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Can anyone walk me through these vital first steps? The documentation is lame. It does not even tell you that VEPro needs to be installed on the master when using two computers, and it does not tell you that you do not need a dongle to run the VEPro RTAS plug-in in Pro Tools. I've read a lot of threads on VEPro and they are outstanding, helping me get the gist of this setup.
Being a network dunce, and this subject being taken for granted I guess by those more knowledgeable than me. I do not know how to set up a static IP so I can get the G5 master to connect to VEPro in the servant Mac (2 x 2.8 Quad-Core Xeon).
I am using a single cat5 cable to connect the two computers. No routers, switchers, etc. Hi Ray, why do you need to set up a static IP?
I would try with DHCP first - which means everything will be configured automatically and slave addresses will be handled automatically. Here's my network setting for the MacPro which is running PT where you insert the Vienna Ensemble PRO Server Interface(s) (the VEP-PlugIn which will connect to the Vienna Ensemble PRO Server): And here's my network setting for the MacBookPro which hosts the server. Also, should 64 bit or 32 bit be run in the servant. I think 64 since I have Omni and Trilian installed (to access 18GB RAM) but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.
Vepro Box Setup For Pc
You can have both server types opened together side by side at the slave machine: The 32 & the 64 bit version. So you can choose within the Vienna Ensemble PRO Server Interface(s) (the PlugIns in ProTools) to which server type they shall connect. This is a screenshot within PT after inserting the VEP-PlugIn into an InstrumentChannel: It asks me to which server type I would like to connect as on my slave Mac (the MacBookPro) are running both server-types.
The documentation is lame. It does not even tell you that VEPro needs to be installed on the master when using two computers, and it does not tell you that you do not need a dongle to run the VEPro RTAS plug-in in Pro Tools. You just need a dongle for the so called slave computer running the Vienna Ensemble PRO Server. So if you choose a 'real two computer setup', the dongle has to be in your computer which is not running ProTools. It's also no problem to have the VEP-server running on the same Mac as PT if your Mac is fast enough. This is what I call a 'one computer setup'. I'm doing this all the time and encountered no problem and in addition I'm using my MacBookPro.
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How do I get rid of these? (will scour the threads once again) Also, my installation of Ivory II is not showing in the pop up menu of available instruments in VEPro. Omni and Trilian do. If you have any advice on this I would appreciate it. (Ivory is not installed on the system drive on the servant computer, but is installed on another drive dedicated to Ivory alone) Thanks for your help everyone.
It's lookin' good. Quote: Also, my installation of Ivory II is not showing in the pop up menu of available instruments in VEPro. Omni and Trilian do. If you have any advice on this I would appreciate it. (Ivory is not installed on the system drive on the servant computer, but is installed on another drive dedicated to Ivory alone) I suspect may be running the 64-bit server?
Ivory II is not yet 64-bit (which is absurd given its memory requirements). Good news is one of the many fabulous things about VEPro is you can run a 32-bit and 64-bit server simultaneously so you can get the best of both worlds. You just have to bring them back into PT on separate channels. Well, thanks to your advice Hans, all is well and everything is connected. Omnisphere sounds awesome. A new problem surfaces its ugly head: clicks and pops from VEPro. How do I get rid of these?
(will scour the threads once again) Also, my installation of Ivory II is not showing in the pop up menu of available instruments in VEPro. Omni and Trilian do. If you have any advice on this I would appreciate it. (Ivory is not installed on the system drive on the servant computer, but is installed on another drive dedicated to Ivory alone) Thanks for your help everyone. It's lookin' good. Clicks, pops and dropouts happens when the buffer setting is set too low in PT. I use 512 for recording, and 1024 for mixing.
I suspect may be running the 64-bit server? Ivory II is not yet 64-bit (which is absurd given its memory requirements). Good news is one of the many fabulous things about VEPro is you can run a 32-bit and 64-bit server simultaneously so you can get the best of both worlds. You just have to bring them back into PT on separate channels. 64 bit, will try simultaneous 32 bit. The video references this (it flew by me) but nothing written in any installation documentation. How many threads and/or cores should be utilized for the servant 8 core Mac 2.8ghz 'Harpertown' running 64 and 32 bit instances simultaneously?
Re: # of cores/threads for opyimum performance. There is a setting in the PT dialog (v. 8.0.1cs2 on PPC G5 dual 2.0 ghz w/4.5 GB RAM), and a corresponding setting in the VEPro preferences.
And yet another buffer setting in the VEPro dialog box when the plug is instantiated in PT. What are you finding works best for you? Again thanks for the info and for saving me a lot of head scratching and therefore loss of hair.
Howdy, I want to build a second PC so I can use it as a Slave machine with Cubase Pro 8 and VEpro 5. I currently have a PC that I built and it has a RAM limitation of 32gb. I currently have 16gb of RAM so I will max this when I have the money. My current mobo is an ASUS P8P67 Pro rev 3 Cpu i7 2600k 16gb DDR3 GSkills Ripjaw RAM I would like my next PC build to have a 64gb RAM limitation and am a little out of touch of what is out there now as I built my machine about 2-3 yrs ago.
Can someone advise me on any recommended Motherboards and CPUs? Thank you Jono. Just a chime in. I can't advise you on what you're asking, being behind you with my 7/8 year old Win XP computers.but I can say that when you have two machines (or more) doing different duties, it's amazing on how much you can run.I swear it's a lot more than twice as much.
I've used 2 identical Win XP machines for a few years, all my audio runs on one, all my VSTi's run on the other.neither machine is being taxed hard. So I guess part of my point is that even if you built an identical i7 computer to what you have now, you'll have a lot more resources to work with than you may think. I had built my original XP machine with then everything new (costly), my replica's were built more recently with used parts (cheaply).just food for thought Then again, two 12 core machines, each with 100 GB ram would be expensively cool. Qbass-007 wrote:Just a chime in. I can't advise you on what you're asking, being behind you with my 7/8 year old Win XP computers.but I can say that when you have two machines (or more) doing different duties, it's amazing on how much you can run.I swear it's a lot more than twice as much. I've used 2 identical Win XP machines for a few years, all my audio runs on one, all my VSTi's run on the other.neither machine is being taxed hard.
So I guess part of my point is that even if you built an identical i7 computer to what you have now, you'll have a lot more resources to work with than you may think. I had built my original XP machine with then everything new (costly), my replica's were built more recently with used parts (cheaply).just food for thought Then again, two 12 core machines, each with 100 GB ram would be expensively cool. 100gb of RAM!
Why not make it a TB haha! Yes, I am so excited to get a second PC on the go. To be honest, the only limitation I have recently come into is RAM (when loading Sample Libraries). My CPU doesn't break a sweat in comparison and imagining having 2 PCs running, well, I think it will be amazing. I may price up an identical machine just to see what the cost difference would be. Saying that, I would really like to have Thunderbolt and a new Mobo would be needed (or go Mac - of which using slave PCs and VEpro now makes it possible to even use a Mac Mini for the master and use the PCs for the real horse power - at at least half the price).
Out of interest, how come you're still using XP? I mean, I used to love XP but going 64bit and using Win 7 was an amazing upgrade. Win 8.1 is equally great (I just recently upgraded after waiting long enough for the dust to settle). Great Scott Pat, that is thinking BIG! And right, best to stick with stuff that's actually available now.
@ Bono.Ok then a TB of ram it is!.or perhaps 2! My reasons for still using Win XP is because it still works, and have several audio cards that only work with XP that I'm partial to, and all legacy software etc. I had considered a 64 bit build 'just for more ram'. My quad core XP machine was still working great, except when going VSTi crazy. For 64 bit I'd have to get a new OS, all new software, new sound card(s) etc. I kept thinking, there's GOT to be a way to allow me to keep using what I have, and just 'add to it' somehow for more power without discarding anything.
I did some researching, then started experimenting with my old 1st DAW that was laying unused. It worked out so well, I decided to build a replica of my main quad core DAW. This is a passion & labor of love. I've come to realize that I don't need to go 64 bit now, if I need more power, just add another XP machine. I actually have 3 XP machines, and it's more power than I need, so I'm experimenting with the 3rd as a dedicated guitar software amp sim machine. I know of a guy who buys 'complete' older/used computers for like $150 for his DAW farm, I prefer to custom build to my same specs. I consider myself a tinkerer, and I'm having a lot of fun.
Of course if money was no object, I'd build myself 2 very expensive up to date, totally spec'd out 64 bit machines. Anyway, Vienna Ensemble Pro is currently the most popular method of networking computers.get ready to be amazed. Jono not bono wrote:Thunderbolt is clearly where all Audio Interfaces are headed Big assumption that. AoIP is also getting traction, but more at the mass IO end. Even RME is beginning to use Ethernet, though with a proprietory protocol.
Huge assumption but hey, this is what makes a Forum fun! I actually still use a PCIe Card as I have a MOTU HD192 and has been discontinued now. I will have to upgrade to something else eventually and at this minute I have no idea what to go for.
Having Thunderbolt in my system at least allows me choice. And Thunderbolt seems rather fast. Jono not bono wrote:And Thunderbolt seems rather fast.
Even the 1Gbps of GbE can handle 256 x 96k audio channels at very low latency (such as with the card), so Thunderbolt (10 or 20Gbps) is extreme overkill. On a Mac Pro, with its many TB ports, dedicating one for audio may not be much of a sacrifice, but with the one or two on a PC, it is a waste of potential bandwidth which could be used for the real gobblers, like storage or video. Sharing audio on a TB connection with anything that has heavy, even if sporadic, bandwidth needs, might compromise the latency you require. Beatpete wrote:As you can see in my signature, my main daw is an old 6 core i7 970 and my vep machine is a merger i3 celeron (which also serves as my htpc media computer) on which I run 6 instances of Kontakt 5 and stream 60 stereo outs via a 120 foot Ethernet cable to cubase 8 no problem. When I was running just one Win XP 32 bit machine for everything, having say about 10 stereo audio tracks & 10 mono audio tracks, plus about 12 VSTi's would max it out while using a very low latency. But with the exact same spec XP machine, using it as a dedicated VSTi's only machine by way of old school audio/midi sound card networking, I was surprised & amazed that I could run several times many more VSTi's without running audio tracks & FX's on it.
I always thought it was the VSTi's that was bringing my computer to it's knee's, because before that my VSTi usage was non existent, then turned to minimal.all was ok with the needed number of audio tracks. But when I began using a dozen or more VSTi's, my resources became a real issue. Using one for audio only, and the other for VSTi's only, I haven't quite maxed out resources yet. I really can't say which machine needs to be more powerful in my own experiences, the VSTi machine, or the audio machine.I'm guessing the audio machine, being I can actually run all the VSTi's I need on one Win XP machine. With you guys and your 64 bit machines, running two of those sounds extremely powerful. But I'm still having fun with keeping/using all my old stuff. Jono not bono wrote:And Thunderbolt seems rather fast.
Even the 1Gbps of GbE can handle 256 x 96k audio channels at very low latency (such as with the card), so Thunderbolt (10 or 20Gbps) is extreme overkill. On a Mac Pro, with its many TB ports, dedicating one for audio may not be much of a sacrifice, but with the one or two on a PC, it is a waste of potential bandwidth which could be used for the real gobblers, like storage or video. Sharing audio on a TB connection with anything that has heavy, even if sporadic, bandwidth needs, might compromise the latency you require. I'm a PC man and always have been but the only things that keep making me want to have a Mac (for my Master Machine) are the Thunderbolt Displays. I'm guessing Daisy chaining 3 of those 27 inch Displays is where Thunderbolt really comes into use as that's a lot of pixels, as you say, gobblers like Video. Out of interest, say I had an iMac (32 gbs of RAM) for Master, could I slave as many PCs as I want using VEpro 5 (obviously providing I have enough Licenses etc)? Do PC and Mac play well together in this scenario?
Jono not bono wrote:Out of interest, say I had an iMac (32 gbs of RAM) for Master, could I slave as many PCs as I want using VEpro 5 (obviously providing I have enough Licenses etc)? Do PC and Mac play well together in this scenario? From my calcs above, GbE could easily handle hundreds of incoming audio feeds from slave VEPs, but someone else needs to answer whether the VEP master + Cubase + OS + hardware can handle it. Compared to what is incoming to the DAW, the outgoing MIDI is just GbE blips. ^^^ Interesting thought about an unlimited number of machines running with VEP Though I'd have to have an uneducated guess that there would be a limit with the number of VEP slaves 'somewhere' due to the above proposed potential hardware/software limitations.VEP coming with 3 or 4 licenses I believe, should be well more than enough for anyone's needs with that many 64 bit machines. The company charges more for 'additional' licenses, so I'd have to think it would be a safe bet that at least somewhere 'more than' 4 machines can easily be ran.
I know of a guy on another forum that runs I believe 6 machines, all 'synced' together. That's just crazy And he can run PC's, Mac's and whatever DAW software's he wishes, Mix N' Match. I bought the strings vol I and the plus package and the bosendorfer for the same reason, i.e. The need of quality strings. They go way beyond the normal libraries as f.e.
Kontakt/east west sample libraries in terms of realism and in terms of variations. But working with it requiers a certain amount of patience to get results that are in line with the quality it can offer. The instruments pro was thrown away money because this needs the ownership of a vast amount of full libraries to have any use for it. The standard Bosendorfer package is overkill imho, since this a 50 gig piano and with the normal player you do not have the cabinet wich is very important for the overall sound. With the standard library and the normal player you lack quite a lot of depth in the lower regiment. It's very expensive stuff that is a bit of a mixed bag if you do not go all the way imho.
I have not won the lottery and i'm not that type of a pro musician that wants to spent 10.000 euro's on a vsti, so i guess it's good for someone like me, but. VEP 5 is fantastic though and a very good longterm investment. Kind regards, R.
Roel wrote:it's a bad idea to wipe out your past when having memories on the old gear. Making a copy for future projects on the new machine would be a logical choice. Kind regards, R. And other comments. Make me think we're not talking about the same thing. I don't really care about the samples.
VEP is most often used to create a split system that hosts samples and VSTi on a second machine, reducing load on the primary sequencer. That was what my question related to. If you've moved from a single computer setup to a split system using VEP, the old single system projects wouldn't open any longer.
Unless you kept duplicates of all your samples on that machine too. Asked the question on another forum and had a solid reply. Print audio stems of projects before 'Good-nighting' the single computer setup. Now I'm wondering. Are you guys NOT using split systems with VEP? That's sort of the whole purpose of that software's design.
SoundsLikeJoe wrote: So. Now I'm wondering. Are you guys NOT using split systems with VEP?
That's sort of the whole purpose of that software's design. The whole purpose of VEPro is absolutely NOT just for split systems (more than one computer). Using Vepro 5 with a single computer (I say computer because this qualifies both PC and Mac) is incredibly beneficial. I've only just bought it, so I can't advise on anything other than what it does (at this moment in time). For example, on a single system (and DAW's with multiple Computers - obviously), I can use 32bit and 64bit Plugs and Instruments at the same time without using any Bridging (I have been using JBridge for this purpose) and in my experience, Bridging adds instability. I can also create a template of all my VIs, Plugs and FX and load it once and then be able to switch between Cubase Projects without having to have everything load every time I switch between Projects - a massive time saver - the last thing I worked on took about 8 minutes to load).
Also, saving a Project is nearly instant. 3 of many examples of how VEPro is a game changer.
I started this Thread because I was (and still incredibly so) interested in using Slave Computers with a Master Machine and using VEPro 5 to make everything communicate/work. Currently, I am in the process of upgrading my set up to have multiple computers (I need more RAM, CPU and Sample Storage) but have been spending hard earned Money on upgrading what I already have and once I have, then I will build another Computer. And then another (when I need it).
For example, I now own VEPro 5. If I built a New Computer, I wouldn't be able to afford VEPro so I would just have 2 computers sitting there, that I couldn't connect, till I have more Money (I'm not rich). I can't wait till I can build a 2nd Computer. SoundsLikeJoe wrote:Asked the question on another forum and had a solid reply. Print audio stems of projects before 'Good-nighting' the single computer setup. Again, I'm not entirely sure what your question is, but the solid Reply you have from another forum is indeed Solid. It is essential to Back Up everything.
Which, in my opinion, isn't just printing Audio Stems, but also saving all Midi Data/Channels/Instruments Used etc. I always create stems of all Midi 'stuff'.
I never used to and through many mistakes, I always do now.